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Dirk Vandeputte

Joined: 14 Nov 2010
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Location: Steenhuffel, Brussels, Belgium

PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder, Alan, if this forum, and more specifically this Shakespeare thread could be of help for me (and all other interested Dutch-speakers) in my lecture and study of Shakespeare's plays. My intention to start a reading and translation group in Brussels has not enough perspective or interest yet. In the mean time I can but linger with him and admire and be moved. The thing is that the English idiom is not always easily understood, disguised as it is in poetry and that, notwithstanding two excellent Dutch translations, I'm often challenged to translate and try a more up-to-date and even more close to the original one. Practically I'm often lost, even with my two Dutch translations (one of which is in credit for the other one). For example:

Clown: Put your grace in your pocket, sir, for this once, and let your flesh and blood obey it. (Twelfth night, 5/1)

Is the clown saying here that the duke must put his hand ( flesh and blood) in his pocket and give more (grace)?

Best regards, Dirk

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Alan Edward Roberts

Joined: 26 Nov 2008
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Location: Twickenham, London, UK

PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Dirk -

I hope your reading has been going well. There are at least two English play-by-play editions of Shakespeare's plays that provide detailed line-by-line commentaries (or footnotes) to his plays.

Possibly the standard play-by-play edition is known as "The Arden Shakespeare"; another play-by-play edition (ie a separate volume for each play) is "The Oxford Shakespeare".

I have a copy of The Oxford Shakespeare for Twelfth Night, and have found the lines (29 and 30) to which you refer. There are footnotes commenting upon the phrases "put your grace in your pocket" and "flesh and blood obey it", noting for example the pun on the word grace, as the customary form of address to a duke (Duke Orsino being the character that the Clown / Feste is addressing).

When Michael Shepherd began this thread he noted "It's with some hesitation that I open a thread on Shakespeare; knowing that we have ardent experts on his work all around... ". It's with some hesitation that I offer any advice - except possibly to get a good English edition for any play that you may study. (And I would recommend the Arden edition for "Shakespeare's Sonnets").

Best wishes, Alan
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Monica Green

Joined: 29 Jan 2018
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Location: USA

PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:00 am    Post subject: My favourite one Reply with quote

Sonnet 130

My mistress’ eyes are nothing like the sun;
Coral is far more red than her lips’ red;
If snow be white, why then her breasts are dun;
If hairs be wires, black wires grow on her head.
I have seen roses damasked, red and white,
But no such roses see I in her cheeks;
And in some perfumes is there more delight
Than in the breath that from my mistress reeks.
I love to hear her speak, yet well I know
That music hath a far more pleasing sound;
I grant I never saw a goddess go;
My mistress when she walks treads on the ground.
And yet, by heaven, I think my love as rare
As any she belied with false compare.

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David A Taylor

Joined: 20 Aug 2015
Posts: 76
Location: Penang, Malaysia

PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Monica Green
whom I have never seen
welcome to our forum
and joining our quorum
where two, which is pleasing,
may be One before leaving.

Your choice of a sonnet
which is not typical of it
makes me wonder a moment
if your making a comment
that not all that is gold
needs to charmingly unfold?

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